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GUEST,Pedro Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret (324* d) RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret 08 Apr 04

Maybe I misinterpreted your message where you seemed to support your argument by saying that when you once modeled underwear and in the course a business lunch there were unwanted advances... are these two unrelated events? It didn't come across to me that way and I just re read it and it frankly still does not. If it was so, then your modeling of underwear, per se, had nothing to do with the other (the chauvinistic advances), so I don't get to how the tale(s) relates to the Victoria's Secret ad. I do however regret the rather crude way I came across in response to your comments in general - so I apologize for that. Certainly these things do happen all the time and it is not cool when it is done the wrong way and for the wrong reasons. But there is a question of where the line is drawn between appropriateness and blatant chauvinism (or much worse) - keeping in mind that this kind of communication IS fundamental to all human sexual encounters - and mistakes and miscalculations, even under the best of intentions, are inevitable. I think that is what this discussion is primarily about. We all have an opinion. And I happen to think the ad is done in reasonably good taste - esp. when I compare it to much of the media stuff (MTV videos for example... but any of us could go on citing better (i.e., worse) examples...

And I also don't see how Dylan has perpetuated something that's necessarily bad here - people make of it what each individual would anyway. There would merely be some other excuse to fill the gap... I think that those who see Dylan as 'selling out', well that's just their own perception based on THEIR highly distorted expectations of him. It's their thing not his.

And by the way, with only two notable exceptions (that I can think of off hand) in his post 1964 career, the Dylan protest singer thing is basically a typecast (I find myself again agreeing with Little Hawk here)... Listen (again) to MY BACK PAGES - he told everybody he was hanging up on that then and there. The FANaticS just wouldn't hear of it... any pedestal they perceive he's now fallen from is only within there own minds because they will not let his short lived protest song singing career go.

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