A point I think worth making is that there are adults out there who want to make it quite clear that children should not be in the same venue as them, regardless of the childs behaviour. I have been at festivals with kids sat on chairs, quietly listening to music, and seen the glares and disrespect they have been shown by adults. That's just plain mean and nasty.

Other scenarios include children dancing, or even playing in the background. Some find this anoying. Perhaps the answer is that these people shouldn't go to family events if they don't like children. I don't go to events with my son if they are unsuitable for families.

Kids are part of the deal in the folk world unless you choose to exclude them. I agree that their presence shouldn't ruin anothers enjoyment of an event. But neither should a drunk adult, or a noisy woman, or a man with an infectious laugh, whatever. People seem able and willing to adapt to a little intrusion on their enjoyment when it comes from an adult. Perhaps the same could more readily be extended to children.