i'm guessing we won't hear back from dougR on this thread. several months ago in the "popular views of the bush admin." thread he challenged anyone to document a bush lie. i did so and never heard from doug again on that thread or others where i brought up the subject again. his style of argument/debate is much like his hero GWB and his minions which goes something like "tell lie over and over-when disproven change subject or attack the disprover" or, if that doesn't work, say "it's true cuz i say it's true! nyay-nyah-nah-nah-nah!")