Ditto artbrooks above that debates are not "won" or "lost" like a wrestling match - only everyone wins or loses depending on the amount and quality of information gained from the debate. I have actually been impressed that there is substantive content to these debates rather than the "sound-bite-fest" in other years. I thought both of them presented their cases well - no major gaffes or "slick" attempts to play to the camera (enough of that with Reagan and Clinton). I agree that mostly your pre-conceptions will dictate the "outcome".