You've certainly posted with your usual incredible prodigality CarolC (man 0 man - 13 of the last 20 posts, and often very long ones - don't you think that if your arguments were stronger they would need less scaffolding?) but none of this has answered my points of 10 March 1:21 with any conviction. The closest you have come is to point out that the US props up bad regimes in Islamic countries because of oil - but this does not really explain the frightful position of women in Islamic countries - indeed when I travel the world I usually notice that strong US influence is almost universally associated with increased sexual freedom for women, partly accounting for why so many men in these cultures consider western women 'easy', to the discomfiture of female travellers. My sister left a trail of fractured fingers all through India!

Your description of a 'moderate' Muslim family in the US was encouraging and well worth reading - but it only confirms my point that 'moderate' Muslims often come to the west to enjoy freedoms which they don't have at home.

The US may be the biggest Christian country in the world but there are many others - which was my point.

I don't like the way you are getting stuck in to Freda. She is quite clearly not on my 'side' but has her own position. It confirms my opinion that you tend to fly off the handle at anyone who dares to disagree with you. Next you will be calling her a bigot, as you so often have called me.