Well the thing is CarolC you do seem to be verging on paranoia sometimes. Every time someone comes up with a new angle you dismiss it with the same arguments, or you say they're against you, surely you have more than two weapons in your argumentary armoury? This whole thread has been conducted in a very civilised manner, and demeaning the validity or otherwise of your argument by descending into personal attacks doesn't do your crusade any good.
The constant introduction of side issues does not alter the fact that Islam is by western standards a cruel and vindictive religion, we all know that doesn't apply equally to all Moslems, and I never said it did.
I say vindictive in respect of the punishments prescribed in the Koran for sinning, such as cutting off the hand of thieves, and beheading for adultery, both of which most people find a touch extreme.
Anyway don't expect this will meet with anything but an accusation of stereotyping from you, I don't really know why I bother to try.
Giok