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GUEST,CarolC BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? . (334* d) RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? . 28 Mar 05


It's the extremists I'm talking about! As long as they have free reign there will never be peace only more hate.

When the majority of Palestinians have hope, they have something to protect from the extremists among them. They have an incentive to work together and with Israel to rid themselves of these extremists. When they do not have any hope, or anything of their own to protect, not only do they not have this incentive, but increasing numbers of them tend to see the extremists as their saviors. If you want to get rid of the extremists, you need to give the rest of the Palestinians something to want to protect. You can't kill all of the extremists because killing Palestinians just creates more extremists. You can't get rid of the extremists by withholding freedom from the Palestinians, because this very lack of freedom is a big part of what creates extremists in the first place.

Not human beings in the eyes of the IDF and the government? First of all that's baloney. Yes, some of them, not everyone, and you want to talk inhuman look at how the Arab governments put down unrest. This is a war, people are getting sick of it, these things will happen. You try being 19 and sent to Jenin or Hebron and see if you act with any loftier morals. No human rights is ridiculous and untrue. Is there room for improvement? Of course but things will get worse as long as there is this constant terror.

Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem do not have the status of human beings from the perspective of the government of Israel and the IDF. The people in these places do not have ANY legal rights whatever. I repeat, the people in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem do not have any human rights whatever. You can try to make other countries look worse, but that just isn't true. No human rights is no human rights. Zero is zero. The Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem do not have ANY RIGHTS.

Semantics and BS. Absolute and uttter cr*p. This from Meretz members?

Semantics, perhaps. But they are not my semantics. It's how things are being done. I am not familiar with Meretz.

I do understand, but that's the majority of Palestinians. The terrorists couldn't care less. They will not stop till all Israelis are gone then Christians, Druze and when that's done probably themselves. They are dragging everyone down.

So give the majority of Palestinians something to fight FOR instead of only giving them something to fight against. That will stop the extremists. You can't kill all of the extremists, because in trying to do that, you only create more extremists.

Weighing blood for blood we are never going to get anywhere. Why can't you just accept that terrorist attacks should cease?

I accept that they should cease. But I also can see that the way the Israeli government has set things up, they never will.

Is land more important than life?

I would ask of you the same question. However, the Palestinians are not just fighting for land. They are also fighting for freedom.

If they want to keep acting against the army that's legitimate, but the terrorist attacks ARE NOT. This is monstrous and incredible to hear someone who is obviously involved with human rights using such logic.

It looks like you are suggesting that I have condoned such behavior. That is a distortion of what I have said. And I believe you know that. I do not condone the killing of innocents. But I recognise that far more Palestinians civilians have been killed than Israeli civilians. By a ratio of several Palestinians to every one Israeli. And I am saying that the approach that the government of Israel is using is making the problem worse. And it will continue to make the problem worse as long as it continues to use this approach. And while you and the others in your country are clinging to this approach, more and more innocent people are going to be killed, both Israeli and Palestinian alike, until the day comes when either all of the Palestinians are gone, or Israelis decide that enough of you have died.


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