Always wondered what vegans have got against animals and hill farmers. I mean, if they get their way and everyone becomes vegan, no more cows, sheep, pigs, hens - except in xoos, and aren't they against them as well? What farmer is going to keep sheep if even the wool is unsaleable? So bye-bye the hill farms in Cumbria and Wales... The figures about relative energy needed to produce meat and cereals come to grief when you look at hill farming. You can't grow much grain up Helvellyn, but you can pasture sheep there.