The demand is, again, that the sciences not be claiming the unscientific notion that science has disproven a creation. (John Hardly)

Show me who says that. It would be nonsense. A creation is always reconcilable with science. Deistic creation before the Big Bang would be no problem at all. But some particular creation stories just do not fit the known facts.

Scientific theories by their very nature do not make any supernatural assumptions. If someone would make the supernatural assumption, for instance, that god created the world say 4000 years ago including all the much older looking bones to test our faith, a scientist could say nothing against such a notion. Such a notion could not be disproved by any findings. Such a notion would be unscientific which is BTW not the same as 'wrong'.

I personally like Gould's idea of the nonoverlapping magisteria for science and religion. Science has nothing to say at all in my eyes about ethics and personal choices and personal faiths. Scientists as persons can have an opinion there but they should not argue from science about such questions. They usually don't for they know when it is better to shut up.

On the other hand I expect religions to shut up about questions of science. Sometimes it takes some religions a bit longer to realise that what once may have been a question of faith now has crossed over to the other field. That causes some friction as we see in the ID debate in the USA.

If I remember correctly you did not like the expression 'fundamentalists'. That's why I use 'literalists' for those reading the old stories verbatim. But there are differences between 'literalists' I admit. The flat Earth literalists I see find no support at Mudcat. Or am I wrong? The Bible says that God once showed all kingdoms of the earth to a prophet from a high mountain. The flat Earth literalists deduce from that that a belief in a flat Earth is necessary for a good Christian.

Well, I have not yet heard of attempts in Kansas or elsewhere to add 'it's just a theory' to the geography books. That's too weird even for USA Christians.

BTW, it is for me quite the opposite of comforting to think of Christians as uneducated. If I would have reasons to believe that I would be worried a lot.

Wolfgang