We went to HFF last year and had a great time. Given the high pop density of the area I suspect there were many people there for the day/s as we were who thus were not using a camp site at all. It's a shame the picturedrome and the FF don't seem to get on (or whatever), but as a punter, I don't really care. I would love to see something folky happening in Holmfirth this year, and I don't really care who puts it on. I suspect there are many more punters like me than there are punters with a close connection to the organisers..... I can see that the HFF wouldn't want something to be organised with the same name but by different people and for it to be cr@p, but the best way to stop this happening surely would be to offer to help with some of the folky events rather than to sling mud. Even doing this I'm sure they would have way less work to do than organising the whole festival. F