After having their posts critical of the "Mudcat Icon" list deleted by the "Mudelfs" for not only pointing out that the thread had descended into a list of "My Favorite Mudcatter" posts, but that such threads functioned as a very immature way to maintain the Mudcat power hierarchy (Max, Joe, Clones, and their "in group" sycophants), I nominate the Guest who was censored in the Mudcat Beauty Contest thread last night.

I also agree that one must not be an icon before being an iconoclast. There are many iconoclasts who were never icons first.

Shane McGowan, for instance.

I would also make some minor distinctions. Icons generally are establishment types. Certainly Dylan and the other musicians mentioned here would qualify as establishment musicians, even though some of them cultivated personas as rebels.

At the end of the day, when you are having private chats with presidents and popes, ya ain't much of an iconoclast.

In my opinion only, of course.