Max, this is a needed thread. It is much better than the condom one I began once to try to make, in a round-about way, a few of these same points you raise. Thanks for saying these things. I do wish I could do more for you and Camsco. Situations here dictate our ability to give of now, so, please, just know that I truly appreciate this place you have made. It rivals Middle Earth in it's complexity. The interplay between good and bad -- hobits and orc creatures is here to delight and appal as well.

In the past I've heard power ironically defined as "The extent to which one can inconvenience others!" A few here were illustrating that rather graphically in recent times. I am not proud of the fact that I sometimes lowered myself to their level in order to, both, refute their logic, and, also, strive to hurt them back. I'm sorry for that. I still look through the threads and post when something I have can add a bit of light on a certain topic. ------ Also, I'm only a "guest" because the 'cat computer won't recognize my membership even though I'm actually logged in. -- I generally use my real name even though I'm a guest. But if I must be kept out because I am a guest, well, so be it.

All the best to you folks.

Art Thieme