Don, you are in the wrong thread, then.

It is clear you want to discuss whether or not there is an historic Jesus.

I don't.

I want to discuss the impacts of religious believers/sympathisers' beliefs upon the rest of us, and what it means for the future.

I am discussing it in the context of the Christian religion, because I am currently being misruled by Christians in a country where they should not have the right to impose their mythical beliefs upon my or anyone else's reality.

The above are two totally different conversations, hence the need for two threads.

Clearly, the Christians & their sympathisers here in Mudcat, as is also true in our political world right now, do not want to see non-believers have a public forum for the discussion of what is important to us.

Hence, the derailing and hijacking of this thread.

You are behaving every bit as well as the Christian right wing of the Republican party in this thread.

Why?

You won't leave non-believers alone for long enough to hold a conversation.

Rather, you claim that we are bigots. You claim we are intolerant. All because we won't discuss the issue in YOUR terms, rather than our own.

So who is truly being intolerant here?