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GUEST,sorefingers BS: The Curse of Cromwell (130* d) RE: BS: The Curse of Cromwell 15 Oct 06


Indeed a sad history, but to be locked in that drama?, to suffer from it, and be 'angry' about it all the time?

Now that does not make any sense at all. What can we achieve by reliving the worst history over and over? Nothing but more evil by our feelings towards each other. Should I shoot off a leg or an arm because my granny was English?

And the fact that in Ireland the people were a mixed bag most of its history is ignored! That is a very bad thing because the very thing that brought the country to such horrid happenings is being touted as the 'end all and be all' of an Irish mind. To wit, denying the rights of those who came into it from whatever and through whatever because we want to tar and feather the English! Pulllease.


First off, many of the national heros of Irish freedom in the Republic for most of recent history had Anglo or Manx or Welsh or Scottish family names. Wolf Tone, Pearse and so on. Do we deny these folks families the right to be what they are? Do we make lies and call that history? Enough!

Even in todays protests it can still be seen, Adams, Sands ... I think people in Ireland should let the past rest and get on with today so that tomorrow may be a better day.

Translating these British names into Gaelic and then forcing the remainder of the Irish people to hate/learn their own language - as De Valera did - by beating the poor starving children in post Colonial Ireland for not learning Gaelic fast enough? might have fooled some of the Irish, but here in the new world - Oz Canada NewZealand US - the Irish diaspora knew better and largely ignored Ireland's looney right.

It is easy to forget the hatred preached by these fake Irish people during those years. Names such as Mac Unspeakable-unpronoucable whatever eg Russell, Welsh, Peabody and so on, translated into Gaelic. In 1966 one of the bearers of the Irish flag at Dev's big national celebration, 50 years, of the Irish rising, was named Early. Today a senior officer in Ireland's Army, General Early could easily be mistaken for an English Lord, and again his name does not translate well into Gaelic. So pullleasse spare us yet more shame by fighting un-winable battles for the sake of backwardsness.

I think that most of the diaspora today know what this Gaelic pushing minority is all about, that is, making trouble to get attention and money, if they can, for a stupid insane cruel lost cause.

Hey waken up, what's done cannot be undone, and Ireland is no worse a place than it was when Rome ruled Britania. Then Rome enslaved Britons sending them far far away, then Rome crusified its enemies including Britons and beat the living crap out of the English, or was it the Welsh?, for being stupid and thick and ignorant and backwards.

I find it not at all surprising that Unionists in the North of Ireland resist the South, in fact I would be astonished if they didn't. Maybe some of what they say is true. Maybe the Church in the south is too powerful, maybe Republicanism is as daft as the the looney Norn Iron terrorists.

Enough! The English people are not all of them like Oliver Cromwell and I thank G_d for the good things they have done, not only in Ireland but everywhere else.


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