to Kim C way back at the beginning of the thread - thanks for the suggestion of 'Black Flower' by Howard Bahr, what a great book and what a beautiful writer. I've now read all three of his novels, and I'd say the second, 'Year of Jubilo' did not really do it for me (did not at all understand what was happening at the end) but I also very much enjoyed his third and most recent work, 'The Judas Field' which I thought was equal to the 'Black Flower' in its power and content. I agree also that they might make good movies, can't believe someone is working on that already. Highly recommend that the rest of you read him, especially the first and third books, as I mentioned