Most interesting Eddie (and rather sad), thanks. I take it you mean that the Grimshaw was a 12 string. I thought Rory was wonderful.It would still be interesting to hear news of Alex. Roger- I'd better whisper in case Keith's listening, I have been known to be wrong but I doubt if Lonnie ever had a herringbone Martin. Herringbone edge purfling was only used on 28s, and then only to c.1947. None of the 21s ever had herringbone edge purfling of course, only sometimes round the soundhole. I think Lonnie would have bought a new rather than an used guitar after the 21- they were tax deductable after all! I've never seen any picture of him with a clearly identifiable herringbone 000. By the way I know he considered switching to an Ovation when they first came out, and even tried one out (in a shop, not on stage) but didn't care for it.