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GUEST,Brian Peters 3:2 Hornpipes (38) RE: 3:2 Hornpipes 22 Mar 07


Thanks, Tootler, for directing me to the Vickers MS on the FARNE site. As a result I realise for the first time that the four-part version of "Rusty Gulley" I recorded a few years ago having found it in Jamie Knowles' "Northern Frisk" book is in fact a compilation of "Risty Gulley" and "Bustey Gulley".

However, I don't think it's helpful to describe the Vickers transcription as "alternate bars of 3/4 and 6/8", as the FARNE compilers have done. As the description on the site concedes, there's no reason to suppose that Vickers actually played it like that. Looking on the same page of the MS at his "Dusty Miller", which is also barred in 6:8, you can't help wondering whether he actually played this as a jig or - like his near-contemporary Joseph Kershaw (and also John Clare) - as a triple hornpipe barred in 3:2. What I'm suggesting is that Vickers simply wasn't familiar with the 3:2 time signature and was having difficulty expressing the triple hornpipe within the limits of his own music theory. But someone who knows more about Vickers than I do might care to refute this.


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