Nigel, I don't think Joe's comments were especially aimed at you. Members & regulars say far worse things to each other all the time so you weren't being any ruder than a lot of folks are. (And you used your real name, which not everyone does.) I think it was a final straw breaking the camel's back. Joe is normally very patient & polite but this whole subject has run on and on and on and he's probably just sick of it. It must really build up after spending hours weeding out spam & flames. Don't let it put you off Mudcat (or Joe) and come back & participate in some of the other threads.