Congratulations banjiman on your restraint. So, we presume the 'real world' is (only?)the one you live in? Yes, academic definitions are academic definitions - and spurious definitions are spurious definitions, and elitist definitions are elitist definitions, and... "Anyone who is part of this real world.. will know the folk process is alive and well." by definition it must be - it is a truism of your own definition. You're not the first person to prove that, according to your own opinions, you are correct! Who are you to say any particular individual is a "dyed in the wool traddie"? - are you working to some sort of definition here? Tom
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