Teribus seems to hop on and over the fence quite often on this thread. He says he does not support the use of torture, then finds reasons for the use of it. As ex service personal he doesn't seem to want to let the side down. How nice it would be to see a post from him uttering condemning the use of any kind of torture be it slapping, pushing, deprivation of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding.

During discussions about these enhanced interrogation techniques he makes reference to several countries and individuals, yet there is always an absence of the phrase "I totally condemn this".

Sorry Teribus, fence hopping has to stop sometime.