Who is this Sturgeon, anyway??? I've got an answer for him, too, in the words of my esteemed childhood hero (and still my hero, but don'tcha dare tell anyone *grin*) Gordon Korman: "Beware the Fish"

Anything that isn't part of the mainstream culture can be considered "subculture" can it not? Folk music, at one time, was very popular and part of mainstream culture. it has since receded. Likewise with so-called alternative music, which has become so popular that it is now no longer "alternative" but is most decidedly manistream. I'm led to believe that our society moves in cycles, so that what is part of a subculture today will be mainstream tomorrow, and of course, the reverse. this is getting rather philosophical, isn't it?