Am interested to know if the Welsh form (Y Pren ar y Bryn) can be traced back to at least the 1500s: I suspect this kind of song goes back for ever but in Wales there was a cut off in the 1760s & it's hard to leap back over that. I want to find out if local composer Thomas Tomkins, b 1572 in S Davids, Pembrokeshire, would or could have known/ heard it. I'd be v glad to have any evidence of its existence then, therefore. V interesting to hear it's not only in this part of the world but across Asia etc, too: its being so widespread adds to view that it's been around a long time ... I can Sibelius the music & send it as an attachment to an email address but have never dealt with this form of thread before; perhaps I'm in the same boat as Nigel P. Susan Potts
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