Guest from sanity! Your absolute distillation of the essence of Christ's conditions for inclusion into The Kingdom leave me a little dubious of you knowledge of Christian theology. What about "Ye must be born again!"? Or "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven... . Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And I will say to them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

In all fairness to you though, you have enunciated what is commonly called the law of the believers. I would only argue that it is a condition of the saved and not a saving act. The saving act was Christ's alone (see Ephesians 2:8-10).

Yes LH, 50 lashes with a Bible place marker. If you're going to resist proselytizing (or ...'ising, if you're a Brit) ya gotta know how to spell it. It kinda funny, ironic, that I am not much of a joiner either. My sales resistance is second to none. I prefer logic where logic is called for, am an avid fan of the sciences and I try to be an independent thinker. And as such I argue with the religious communities as much as I do with the non religious. Well, it keeps life interesting.