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Ireland BS: The Irish Peace Process (294* d) RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process 03 Apr 09


No one is defending private armies of any kind especially loyalist, the claim that there has been no calling for their disarming is a complete falsehood.Sanctions have been taken against loyalist because they did not disarm, lets get the real story here.

We have various political talkshows and there has never been a time that disarming of loyalist has not been called for,no political argument concerning the various groups could have been held without the condemnation of loyalists for not disarming.

The internal power struggle within the loyalist groups is the more reasonable reason for them holding onto arms and of course those who deal drugs along with wanting to screw more concessions from the government like SF\IRA did.

To give the idea that loyalist holding onto arms is beneficial to anyone in the greater community is absolutely pathetic and dishonest no one in Ireland wants loyalists to have weapons.

We have to acknowledge that their refusal to use the weapons deserves some recognition even their old adversary the IRA has applauded the loyalists for their restraint and what do we read here, shows how some people want to play the old what about them card.

"But there are reliable figures that demonstrate that all republican paramilitaries between them have been responsible for about 1,700 deaths, while Loyalists have been responsible for about 800. The security forces have been responsible for the remainder (about 1,000) but you must remember that includes the RUC and UDR both of which at times housed loyalists able to kill under cloak of legality, plus the issue of collusion of course."

To paraphrase Mick,what utter bollocks. Not to the figures but this lumping the loyalist murders in with the security forces as if they were hand in hand.

Words like dirty tricks and collusion have been used during the fight against the IRA, there is no bigger dirty trick than slaughtering twins in their mothers womb, remember Omagh,no dirtier trick than blocking all exits in a hotel and pouring petrol all over the place to roast their victims to death, my brother being a victim of such tricks, remember La Mon.

As for the stats, what has been glossed over is, out off the 1700 IRA\rep slayings the vast majority of those slain were Catholics,the IRA murdered the very people they say they were protecting.

Now look at what is happening with the dissidents,they are oppressing the very community they come from,and what do we read here, why has the loyalists not decommissioned?

Could this be due to the fact that loyalist are not getting involved that there is a need to implicate them any way people can in order to justify their own ignorance and bigotry.

AS for the stats read them here make up your own mind:
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html#statusperpetrator


I will not comment on the one sided history lesson, suffice to say come on who are you trying to fool.


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