Could it be that there's more to blame here than the downloader & the site that provides it. A friend I sing with years ago recorded in a group called the 'Battering Ram' their recordings went into the out of print basket heap & recenty Rounder has rereleased them on CD. The members of the group that orignally recorded this have, since rerelease, never seen a cent & to try to recoup would cost them more than they'd ever realized in the start of it. I saw Sean Tyrell the other night, he has a recording out which he has to buy back at a huge cost to himself so that he can actually do something with it. Did the music industry in their greed create the hell the artist has to live in or did the listener who downloads & gets away with not paying a royality? Which came first & who carries more of the blame, who stands to reap more & who causes more damage by the rape of the artist. Clearly the artist is injured by both but the industry's concern is not for the artist but rather for themselves & there in my opinion lies the one who carries more of the blame for this rape & hence should be the one who carries most of the responsability to right the wrongs that have been commited against those that've been expolited, after all they are the ones that most of the time get the lions share of the benifits & rewards. My thoughts are that most these complaints against the people that copy without permission are more a reaction to the way the industry has structured themselves rather than just saying it's out & out thieft. If the music industry could've set themselves up in the same way as the drug industry has they would have & we would have to wait years for the FDA to approve a CD that's going to benifit our senses & soul at a cost that would bankrupt the artist & we would be dead, buried & rotted waiting for an improvement. Barry