So many apologies on a single thread, for this or that! Well yesterday I offered my apologies to anyone I may have gotten carried away with in the heat of the moment. I freely admit to joining the fray against WAV, not for his poetry, but his inane views on music. I think I did it with a balance of humour, knowledge, and a gentle kick in the pants....but his own obfuscation got the better of me.

Joe, since you think people may not be understanding...I get your basic point-don't fight fire with fire, regarding the BNP. You certainly can't do anything outside of mudcat, be it facebook, or other web sites-and no one would expect that of you. So lets talk about here then. Lost in this murkiness of "Murkans", "Xtians" et al, has been suggestions for altering Mudcat, and some good ones at that, and I'm not just talking about mine. Someone said this place is a democracy, anythings on the table for discussion. Arguably, its not, but in a good sort of way. There are certain taboo subjects one would not expect to see on Mudcat. If a guest, or anyone posted a blatantly racist thread, or sang the praises of child porn that thread wouldn't be around long right? So that being said, I'll apologize to you and the other mods for dealing with us. In the very limited personal dealings I have had with you, I never had any problem with your response. But I still don't understand why you, and whoever else at Mudcat dont' make changes. Only major change I have seen since I've been here is no guest postings. But even that is not 100%. I appreciate the scope of the original post..but its no good saying now children play nicely when your back is turned, which because of the large number of posts on mudcat about everything, must surely be turned a lot. Perhaps a suggestion thread is in order.

I'm sorry if this is another pile of shit dumped in your lap Joe, I don't mean it to be. If you're in NYC I'll buy you a whiskey at my local with pleasure.