so getting back to the point, where is the so called revival of grass roots folk, sadly all there is here is those that regularly perform to all those that are already into folk be it trad or modern, i see the people that do perform well in public, saying and being told how good they are, i see explanations of how some in the start were not very good , but hey im great now, what about putting folk where it belongs in the community, yes even in pubs , wherever it matters not, but folk for folkies is not creating a revival if thats what you want to call it, why not those of you that can play or sing turning up one day at a pub or something and just jamming for an hour or so , nothing organised just do it, who knows it could turn into a flash folk event, lets say new years day, all over the country             yeh right as if