thanks don T, it is so nice to get a mans experiances too. you had every right to be angry and frustrated. i think it was a good idea to warn your friends of what she did.

some on here would say you had reason enough to push it and ignore her wishes, to me you are a gentleman.

no always means no and stop always means stop, whatever is happening.
although it is possible to carry on while asking if thats what someone wants, once they have confirmed what you are asking them, there is no excuse not to do as asked!

i cannot get my head around the difference between blame and guilt.
if a man/woman will not stop, i don't see how it can be anyone elses responablity if one of them doesn't. it is the attackers fault, no matter what. SIMPLE.

whoever said about the comparison between murder, stealing, for a greater reason, is talking sense.
no one NEEDS sex to survive.

take care all
jade x x x x x