I am the "singing teacher" referred to by STM (the second not the first) my speech marks are to indicate that I actually know nothing of technique but I seem to be helping. What STM doesn't say is that she actually has a beautiful voice but simply has a massive problem with singing. As it is possible to be a great singer without a great voice the reverse can also be true. She has just left here after an evening of music, she turned 18 at midnight. We have had a great time (she picked the harp up today) she has been playing and singing with myself and another, older very intuitive female singer and musician. They have sung together before but tonight they sang together beautifully. I know how much it means to her and it was fabulous to hear. I like to think that the generosity of your comments and advice might have had some effect. Thank you. And Happy Birthday to "STM" x x x x