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GUEST,josep BS: The God Delusion 2010 (2256* d) RE: BS: The God Delusion 2010 26 Sep 10


///The illusion of consciousness outside of the brain can never be reasonably established since it is unmeasurable. Activity in the brain, however, is measurable and different states of consciousness can be manipulated by electrodes to the brain including a sense of god and religion. The idea of an external "consciousness" is pure nonsense. The illusion of an external consciousness is something that can be manipulated by stimulating areas of the brain.///

Suppose you have extremely complex technology and mathematics that enable you to map in very minute detail any given brain state—color, shape, texture perception as well states of fear, joy, sorrow, terror, ecstasy, anger, jealousy, contentment, boredom, pain etc. No matter how many people you test, the results are generally the same with minor variations. So is your knowledge of brains states complete? No. We are dealing with perceptions called qualia which involve perceptions and feelings that we all have but which we cannot communicate to others. You cannot communicate your perception of the color blue to someone else. You simply tell them it is blue and they must simply know what you mean. So in evaluating qualia of your test subjects with your super technology, your knowledge is incomplete because you must evaluate your own role as the observer. Your evaluation cannot be part of an objective brain state because your own observation is inherently subjective. There must be another consciousness to evaluate your role as observer but whose? Since everyone else's brain states are no more complete than yours and yours no more than theirs, then you would have to conclude that your study of the brain states is incomplete simply because consciousness was excluded from them altogether. Consciousness cannot be included because it is outside the objective reality being studied. Hence consciousness is not epiphenomenal and is primal.

In short, your assertions are bogus.

///The idea of an external "higher consciousness" is even more ridiculous. It assumes the existence of a "higher power" that guides the human thinking process. This is true sophistry. If there can exist a "higher consciousness" that is absolute, it can be argued
also that there is a "lower consciousness" that negates any "higher consciousness". It's the old argument that because one conceives of a god, it must exist. The classic refutation is that if one doesn't, then it doesn't exist. ///

Huh, what? What was any of that supposed to mean?


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