"If you want pain and fear free food, with dignity, stop eating meat, and accept the other consequences of that decision"

That is not strictly true unless you can guarantee there have been no chemicals used in vegetable production. Death on a massive scale happens in farmer's fields all over the world with the use of pesticides/insecticides and such like. If you are vegitarian do not think animals do not die because of it. If we are to respect life then we also have to think about all those insects too )many that are not pests included(. Any less and we enter into speceism and so ad infinitum.

As a species we have to survive... but as the species that can think and use logic coupled with emotion, we perhaps owe more to animals than they ever do us.

Fact is, as humans, it is hard for us to eat without impacting on other animals lives. What we, therefore. owe to those animals is the best welfare, care and humaneness we can. But that costs money and people want cheap food.... even cheap vegetables.

Vegan and Vegetarian lifestyle is not death free in the main

No-one has the moral high ground on this and all we can do is so our bit to try and make things better

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