No thanks, Arthur itus, I think I'll keep on asking you to substantiate your outrageous claim that all politicians are 'in the same trough'. I'm not making a political point here, it's more of a personal point; you and the rest of the right-wing anti-intellectuals here seem to be making an organised assault on a long-standing and respected member of this forum. I don't like bullying, and that's what's going on here. It also has a remarkable resemblance to the activities of the BNP on this and other boards a little while ago; you wouldn't be associated with that, would you? You made a claim; I'm merely asking you to substantiate it. Richard Bridge made no such generalised claim, restricting his points to specific cases. Evidence please!