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Carlin BS: Columbus Day Fiasco (104* d) RE: BS: Columbus Day Fiasco 09 Oct 00


Well, I can see that sarcasm is utterly lost on some people.

I am glad to see that you agree with me that the Europeans bear absolutely no responsibility for the Indians being technologically backwards. After all, stone age livin' was their deliberately chosen lifestyle.....BTW if they were so happy with their existing technology why were they willing to trade 15 beaver pelts for a steel hatchet? Could it perhaps be because they spent their lives hacking at wood (and each other) with stone axes and were thus able to immediately recognize the superiority of steel for this purpose, as opposed to certain modern thinkers (and I use the term loosely) who can't seem to grasp the difference?

What exactly do you know about the Constitutional Convention in Philedelphia? Which one of the Founding Fathers stood up and said, "Look, these native chaps have this outstanding system and we should copy it...."

Have you ever heard of the Achean League, or the Aetolian League, or the Illyrian League? These were all federations of cities in ancient Greece. Each city elected representatives and sent them to a Federal Council. There were Federal executives that were elected to handle the treasury, and the military, and to enforce the Federal laws....the Founders were well aware of all of these states and the systems they used. They were also well aware of the writings of John Locke (who lived in England and probably never spoke to an Indian in his life) who wrote profoundly and eloquently on the need for a seperation of powers in government. Oh, and there was also the Roman Republic that had a bicameral legislature some 2500 years ago (there was the Senate, and the Assembly of the People).

And the really amazing thing is, the Constitution is not directly based on any of this....the Founders imbibed certain principles about how a government should be run, from ancient history and contemporary thinkers (and sure, I will even throw the Iroquois in there if it will make you happy), and then proceeded to compromise their way to a document. Why don't you read the Federalist Papers, the Anti-Federalists, and James Madison's Diary if you want to discover the thought that went into the document? After all, these people were actually there and wrote the damn thing!!! (Let me guess, nothing more than Patriarchal White-Male European propaganda, that seeks to deny women and minorities their properly exalted place in history......)

It is hard to believe that some people will soak up whatever PC nonsense comes along, just because it appeals to their sense of collective guilt, their modern notions of equity, or modern ideas of morality.....




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