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GUEST,Doug Saum Why did Dylan dis Phil Ochs? (95* d) RE: Why did Dylan dis Phil Ochs? 23 Jun 11

If Ochs is more poetic than Dylan, a proposition I can't fully endorse, it may be because he, at times, would imitate his poetic idol W B Yeats. Yeats's swirling gyres, lovers on the run, and the poet in the midst of a country's violent political and civil unrest were all grist for Och's mill.

"In Lincoln Park the dark was turning, turning." "William Butler Yeats visits Lincoln Park and Escapes Unscathed" from Rehearsals for Retirement

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falconer can not hear the falconer;" "The Second Coming"

(BTW - Both "turning" mentions allude to Homer's simile in The Odyssey when Odysseus & son turn on Penelope's suitors and dispatch them as raptors will prey.)

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