As far as I can see, the Pro Gay Marriage "liberals" have never put forward rational thought evidence or discussion, but rely on a threadbare "equality" agenda, exemplified by the posts of mauvepink and others here.

Why do you insist on making this personal Akenaton? You bullied me off one thread some time back with your potty mouth and you seem to insist on putting my name in the frame on such discussions. You don't have a clue do you what this is about? I doubt you ever will. And I am not being personal when I say I actually pity you your mind and your obsession on the subject of homosexuality. I am being honest.

Because this is not about being pro-gay, gay positive, or any such agenda as you would insist it is based on liberalism. I have said in many thread before where you have 'pointed out the error of my ways' with your supposed intellectual superiorty. If the only insult you can throw at me is "liberal or liberalist" then I will wear that tag with great pride. Am I allowed to mention pride without it upsetting you predispostion to attacke anything remoteley attached to being gay?

This is not about marriage. It's not about HIV/AIDs, and it's not about the arguments about what causes homosexuality, whether it is genetic )which I believe it to be) or a mix of nature and nurture.

This is, plainly, a human rights issue. It's about allowing all people to have the same rights as each other, no matter their minority or majority position within society. It's about outing those bigots and the haters who actually fear so much about themselves they have to diverta attention onto others. It's about allowing everyone to be seen in the same light, to be treated the same in law as all others, and to be able to access all the things that the majority of people can within and under the human rights banner.

I refuse to get into a battle of wits with an unnarmed opponent. It is very obvious you do not understand the issue here, and the principle of equality, or else you would drop this constant line you have.

I know nothing about you with the exception of what I have seen issue from your mouth on here. You know nothing about me except that which you see here. I have heard people say some good things about you - once away from your 'pet' topic - and I can respect their views. I have no idea why you personalise your contributions. Attacking me and calling me names will not make the issue any less viable or important. If it makes you feel big to attack someone and mouth off at them then so be it.

I keep revisiting BS because there are lots of good threads on here and decent people trying to have open discussion. Sadly, sir, your actions do you and your ilk a disservice in that, far from actually making a valid contribution to a thread, you try to belittle others who say anything different than your own deep rooted fear or hatred about something you constantly show you know nothing about. What do you actually fear? What is it to you if a gay person gets a right to be able to marry, shop in the same shop as you, raise children, be free from assault, drink out of the same glass you drink out of, etc?

So call me names. Call me liberal. Think and call me whatever you want. You don't have a right to do that but you seem to think you do. I wonder how you would feel if you had your rights taken off you, or never given to you, because of your sexuality whatever it is?

I will leave this thread once again. You win big man. As I say. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with any unnarmed opponent but I don't need to stick around for what will become the usual meltdown of what was a reasoned and decent thread with good intentions

mp