Then you're still missing my point. Which is that guns aren't the answer, they're the problem. If Dormer, and others like him, didn't have easy access to firearms, they couldn't shoot people, and if your seemingly incompetent police didn't have guns, they couldn't shoot at perfectly innocent people in the kind of incidents I linked to.

Get rid of the guns, and the problem will go away. The UK is the proof - hardly anyone has access to firearms, the police don't carry firearms, and we have fewer shootings in a year than the US has in one day.

Don't say it can't be done. Anything is possible, it just takes courage and the will to make it happen. You got men to the moon FFS, what happened to your courage and will in the years since 1969?