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GUEST,DDT [Formerly BS:] Musical snobbery (262* d) RE: BS: Musical snobbery 13 Feb 13


"1) "All forms of music from previous decades" just *weren't* ignored from the 60s onwards. There are numerous examples of songs from the 60s to the present days being either remakes/covers of or based on musical styles from previous decades...one that comes straight to mind is Canned Heat's 1967 "Going Up The Country" which was virtually a remake of Henry Thomas's 1927 "Bulldoze Blues". Kitty, Daisy & Lewis also did a cover version in 2008. Same with "Hesitation Blues", originating in the early 1900s, then made popular in the 20s by Art Gillham, recorded by Rev Gary Davis, Janis Joplin in the late 60s and then many others such as Dave van Ronk, Ralph McTell, Taj Mahal and Steely Dan, to name a fraction. ...there are just thousands of examples."

That's a complete misunderstanding of what I said. I never said people remake, rehash and retread the old music. I said you didn't hear the old music itself. In the 60s, I heard only a handful of songs from the fifties--a few Elvis tunes, "Rockin Robin" and like that. Everything else was recorded in the 60s, original or remake. And you NEVER heard anything earlier than the 50s unless you heard it in an old movie in the days before cable when old movies were all they showed on TV.

"2) And from the above examples it should be obvious that current pop isn't all descended by any means from the 1960s. I could mention The Long Blondes' mid-2000s song "Polly" as a homage to 1950s Doo-Wop, or Boogie-Woogie influences dating back to the 30s in several recent pop songs and recordings."

And whoever heard of it? Not me. Not anybody. Nobody wants to hear someone retread old territory. We want to hear something new by people who aren't musically ignorant. The 60s artists were great that way because they grew up on the 50s artists but didn't sound like them. They created something new and memorable. It wasn't their fault radio ignored the predecessors. That's why Hendrix took Buddy Guy with onstage, he wanted people to know where Jimi Hendrix came from. Today, nobody talks about who Katy Perry's influences were. Why? Because who cares? She's forgettable and won't be remembered 30 years hence. And neither will the stuff you mentioned-whatever it is. If I want to hear doo-wop, I'll listen to the real thing.

"3) You say it won't be remembered in 30 years? Well there's a huge catalogue of pop from the 60s and 70s that's remembered by, influences and is covered by young musicians today, which is already well over your 30 year remembrance limit."

Sure stuff from the 60s is remembered. I just explained why. I'm talking about stuff made today by kids who don't know anything that wasn't made before the 60s. And most never listen to anything made before the 90s. They need to listen to the old stuff to make better new stuff--not to remake old stuff. Didn't we do it right the first time?

"Your dismissal of all today's pop as degenerate and isolationist is far more snobbish IMO than any (AFAICS non-existent) tendency of pop since the 60s to ignore earlier music. There'll be stuff from the 2000s around and remembered in the 2040s just as there's stuff from both the 60s/70s AND from the 30s/40s influencing today's music."

As I said--just see if I'm wrong.


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