I have read the sage and reasonable discussion but on reflection, I still see no reason to change my stance. As it is a stance, I suppose it is better posting it as me not the silly moniker Musket.

Gay people make up a very small percentage of the population of The UK so the efforts made in trying to stigmatise them and deny them the same rights as other voting tax paying contributors to society isn't a reflection on Gay issues, it is a reflection on the task still ahead in creating a just and decent society.

So addressing this thread. Reinforcing boundaries, assuming that is a good idea in principle, should perhaps focus on perpetrators of boundary breakers, however softly spoken as well as those like me who react.

Back when I used to investigate lapses in the quality and safety of health and social care, my favourite retort to complacent management of poor care was "to permit is to promote. " I see parallels here, hence not letting go, not wishing to assume condoning through not challenging.

Sorry if it sounds boorish but not sorry for making a stance. It isn't enough to like the music of Tom Paxton, Si Khan, Vin Garbutt etc etc. Sometimes you have to ask if you like the words.