Aye Akenaton, and occasionally they use their "liberal" credentials to fight their battles.

Who'd have thought it?

I have no problem whatsoever with what people think. We can't all have perfect upbringings, role models and experiences to fall back on. But if we try to convince others, some things are best left in our heads and not on our keyboards or mouths eh?

Some things may be part of our makeup but best if we keep them quiet and not shout about them. You wouldn't stand in a pub and admit you wank to pictures of Carole Smiley, so why post on the internet that you have issues with the existence of a whole group of our society?

Let alone come up with a solution...


Co messiah and associated gnome. It appears someone has joined the thread who fits the bill to join us in our true religion, on account of blinkered bigotry and endless trying to justify it. An ideal prophet you may think. Could I suggest though that not even we are that desperate?