No. I don't misunderstand at all.

The chair of my viva panel was a lay preacher yet he dug deep into my basis for certain laws of physics. I see no problem with traditional faith and reality. I love how you think I do.

I'll tell you what I don't understand. I don't understand church wanting any influence over society. If you can pick and choose then so can others. I wanted to choose a church wedding and as the common link of everybody on Mudcat.org is tradition, you can understand why. I refused to ask forgiveness for my sins and I had been married before. So what? I said. Something to do with the Bible apparently. My granddaughter is about ready for that family get together known as a christening. All the older family expect it. My lad and his wife don't attend the local church so they had to attend a set of classes where they can learn to be good parents in the eyes of the church. He didn't want to do that as he was brought up not to be a hypocrit. Looks like no christening then.

Haven't told him his mother and I had to attend them so we did. Decided it was all bollocks but didn't want to upset my Gran.

My point therefore is; Don't talk about picking and choosing then decry people for trying the same.   The vast majority of church weddings and christenings? Not a bloody believer amongst them. However, we have tradition. Many people want a church setting, a bit of Charles Wesley and a few bob for the bell ringers.

But only clever Christians like Joe and Keith are good enough to pick and choose it seems. Rational people who enjoy the traditional public service churches supply have to tell lies in order to do so.

Joe. You asked me to talk to the fundamentalists? Fine. Their honesty will be a breath of fresh air.