Other than long winded excuses and admonitions, nobody addressed the main issues of my post. So I'll post it again:


First, i'm pleased to see this thread has taken a more civil tone in the discussion.

Second, I would like to point out that the point of departure is this:
Sometimes it takes the vision through the eyes of a 'foreigner' to assist those to be able to get focus.
Your country, to whom the rest of of the world has looked up to, and turned to in need of help during perilous times was based on this 'experiment' called Democracy. Your country has been a bastion of Democracy as well as an example of what it can achieve to the rest of the world. You have fought massive wars to defend not only your Democracy, but to give other nations the chance for the same freedoms which have made you so strong and a wonderful place to live or visit.

Third, Your country which fought against incredible odds of succeeding, to have this Democratic system in which the citizens would be able to have self governing by means of the voting and electoral process.

Fourth, it then becomes incumbent for both the citizens and their elected representatives to be informed of various issues so that coherent decisions could be made as to how they should decide how to vote, according to how they see fit.

Fifth, The people who you vote for take an oath to uphold your Constitution as to best serve the people and the values on which your country came about.

Sixth, The point of departure comes when your Congress in both Houses are given issues to vote upon, and in violation of their legal and moral obligation to the people they represent, they do NOT read what they are voting on. While this has gone on, your President proceeds to misrepresent the contents of a bill(any bill) to the citizenry and the vote is passed under coercion and ex-emptive favours to garner their vote. This is done along party lines and not inclusive as the country, as a whole.

Seventh, Regardless of the goodwill of the intentions it was passed in violation of the trust that the elected Representatives would uphold their oath and at least READ the bill. This is NOT representative government of the people under rule of law.

Eighth, As a result of this your country is divided. Not so much over the issue that I just laid out, but under partisan lines. To all those who voted for and passed a bill in which they did not read, or even know what was in it, they should at least NOT be re-elected if not removed from office for dereliction of the duties of office, as possibly face charges of
treason(look at def. 1. and 2.) . In that definition you see the word 'treachery' and it is a link. 'Treachery', while not particularly a criminal charge, is also defined as a 'violation of trust'.

Ninth, and finally this bill was passed with nobody knowing what was in it except for those pushing it for THEIR self interests. In doing so they have pitted citizen against citizen, party against party, and the will of the common man be damned.
Imagine a delivery truck pulls into your driveways, drops off a crate and demands payment.
You ask, "What is it?' he doesn't know but demands payment or the shippers will put a lien on your home.
You look at the tag and call the shipper and ask him the same question
He tells you, "Just take it and pay for it. You won't be discomforted in the least and it will not disrupt your present lifestyle, in fact it will make it better."
Then you ask, "Well what is it?"
He replies, "Just take it, I'm not telling you but you will like it, PERIOD!"


Would you believe or trust this? Would you be eager to PAY for it? Pay for it under the threat of a lien on your home??
Chances are, the first thing you would do is call the police and demand action!!!

Now to all those on here who are vacantly repeating the President's 'assurances', you DO NOT know what is in the box(bill). You are just vacantly repeating what you've heard under the assumptions that it is consistent with a political ideal you MAY(?) have. You DON'T KNOW, and it has been withheld from you to know for sure!

Yet with such self assuredness you babble on and demean those who beg to differ.
In some cases, even condescendingly 'Pontificate' down your noses, when you don't even really know.

Do you?

Only what you've heard.

Do you???

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Mr. Firth, you started, "Regarding your delivery truck analogy:"

And never addressed it. I'll be polite and give you a second go at it.