What i find hard to deal with is some of you seventh day Adventist bollocks like stu and shimrod trying to charge some of our comrades with dishonesty.

It is very clear that when I say that theirs is a faith position.
not a shred of evidence for a creator, say they, when there is not a shred of evidence that something popped into existence when there was [supposedly] absolutely nothing before.That is some of the most fecked up thinking I have come across in many a long day.

Even jerk the sailor would agree it's the biggest creationist myth around.

It does not even have the benefit of any kind of first cause joined up thinking and it is blindly accepted by the nobheads as faith, whatever scientific sounding spin they put on it.

If you think it can happen - I would really appreciate it if you could show us your evidence.
Whilst we are awaiting the coming of some self congratulatory evidence.I don't see anything illogical about saying that , anything that has a beginning, must have a sufficient cause.
that ,admittedly does not prove there is an eternal creator but sure seems a lot more logical than it all came from nothing via no one even the prick gnomeyo!.

If you want to go down the path of equating creation Christians with dangerous evil, I am more than happy to remind you of the evil of the Thatcher followers and believers in recent history.
On what basis do you call something evil?. Was it the gross gobshite Cameron who said that there was,no good or evil, just blind pitiless indifference?.