As the OP, I'm rather annoyed that (as with several threads on Mudcat) certain people (or person) have spoilt it for the rest. I was enjoying the viewpoints put forward by a wide variety of posters, and the different angles being considered. Rather than shut the whole thing down, might it not have been better to remove any posts considered offensive or unacceptable, so that those remaining could continue their discussion? On other forums I dip into, the moderators don't seem to chuck the baby out with the bathwater in this way. They remove unacceptable material and the thread continues. Very disappointing, especially as the thread is left hanging in the air as we await Harris's sentencing today.