yes, but can't you see Jim - there is an argument that protecting society is worth a few errors.

logic hss nowt to do with it. either the the very thought disgusts and horrifies you - or it doesn't.

there again John could argue - well the rat catcher and the sewage workers job is disgusting and horrifying - you see logic doesn't work -its down to a sensual thning. its not even moral. pro hangers could say well -i am being immoral by shirking my civic responsibility and not pulling the lever, twisting the garotte, or whatever.

its the old hand on your knee test - i am not up for it.