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GUEST,Howard Jones guest nights and singaround clubs (260* d) RE: guest nights and singaround clubs 20 Oct 14


If you are singing to other people then it is a performance, no matter how informal the situation. Surely when you sing to other people you hope to entertain them (and to be entertained when they sing) otherwise why do it? Seriously, what is the point? If you want to sing, that's what bathrooms were invented for.

Being able to memorise a song isn't a gift, it's a skill which has to be learned and practiced. Using a crib is an obstacle to both.

Neither is amateurism an excuse. All around the country people are playing and singing in amateur orchestras, choirs, brass bands etc many of which demand, and achieve, the highest standards of musicianship. Many of the performers at folk festivals are amateur, in the sense that they don't make a living from it. 'Amateur' shouldn't mean low standards.

Claims about professionals using cribs, or performers who successfully engage with the audience despite using a crib, miss the point. These are exceptions - the sad reality is that in the majority of cases singers who rely on cribs don't engage with the audience and don't show adquate preparation.

It's not really about the format. Folk clubs should welcome those who wish to sing, and a singaround may be a less intimidating format but also more likely to tolerate the practice. Encouraging participation isn't the issue, and if a group of people wish to give that aspect priority that's up to them. It's the lack of incentive then to improve, both by encouragement and example, which is the complaint. Folk music deserves better.


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