I challenged Stilly River Sage on her use of " bottom feeders" to characterise certain people here who she, however, seems reluctant to name. My post was deleted but hers, with the bottom feeder reference, is, to date, still there. Now here's the thing, SRS. You are very good at deleting posts that take you on (and I wasn't particularly uncivil about it, if I recall accurately). You are not very good at deleting posts that contain bigotry. Then you blame us for fomenting the bigotry when we take these nasty people on. You can stop the bigotry yourself far more effectively and, at a stroke, stop us from needing to attack the bigots. Don't delete my posts or Musket's posts. Delete the bigots' posts whenever they contain bigotry. You're good at judging my posts all right, so show us that you can judge theirs as well. We rage here all the time about personal attacks. I get attacked here as much as anyone, usually by the very people who moan about the personal attacks, including you. Bottom feeder, eh? I'll just nominate Bill as the single honourable exception. What you may be missing is that bigotry is a form of attack far more serious and wide-ranging. Bigotry attacks whole groups of people at once. Just because a bigot doesn't name names doesn't mean they are not indulging in vicious attacks. Pete attacks scientists. Akenaton attacks gay people. Keith attacks Palestinians. In each case the starting points of their attacks are some or all of delusion, faulty logic, dishonesty, inhumanity, ignorance and intemperate talk. Don't blame us if the world out there can see all that on Mudcat. It's far more likely that some kind of misguided and pusillanimous attitude to "free speech" is to blame. You want us to shut up. Not as much as we want them to shut up. You can help.