Well thank you gnome for that hair splitting correction to my faulty use of language. Thanks to you , all those other posters who did,nt know what I meant will understand what I,m getting at.................good job it was you who said it's ok to take the p--- !               Steve say that evolution is a " true phenomenon that the scientific process can set about explaining ..."   If he is equivocating between natural selection and the full evolution story , he is correct about the former, but it is way short of explaining the latter. If he means the latter, it is begging the question to say it is a ...true....phrnimenom , unless he can evidence it, and in numerous posts he and his fellow believers have failed to do so.   If he means that in principle, science ...read evolutionists...will one day give validating evidence, then that is a faith position.. Or if he means , explain the story line and theory, it merely means mastery over the dogma......and that IMO is what passes for evidence most of the time.