Re The Cellar Upstairs - a folk club which has put on consistently good music mostly from the traditional end of the spectrum for decades now - it should also be said in defence of the organiser that she has had a number of venue changes forced on her over the years, and some venues have been better than others. No folk club organiser deliberately chooses a room with a loud jukebox downstairs, but pubs are pubs and landlords sometimes act unpredictably. If loud music becomes a persistent problem then you move - but to where? Finding an appropriate venue these days is the bane of many a club organiser's life.

I should also say of CU that I've played there a number of times and can't remember ever seeing a crib sheet in use. Some of the floor singers, and all of the residents there, are extremely good, .