It would make life simpler to keep these sub-threads separate.
Steve Shaw No they are not. I'd wager that no-one else here would think so either.
In the first quote you talk of the laws of nature being derived from "that which we see" in a post that goes on to describe the laws as descriptive. In the second you want to remove "that human imposition part of it". Sounds like a contradiction to me.
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