The first line of your refutation (Exactly the same can be said of Shaw and Carroll - Any reason that you have never pulled them up on it? ) would have been an example of being simple and honest and I could have happily responded. The rest of your post was the bile and rancour I mentioned. I know I am no saint but I do try to treat people with respect. It is usually when they do something to lose that respect that I respond in kind. Doesn't always work but I do try. Maybe if you did the same you would get more respect yourself.

But we should not be discussing argument and discussion per se on a thread about something so important. I have had my say on that subject. If you feel you need to continue down that road feel free but it may be better to bring it up on a separate thread.

DtG